PC-Empfehlung um Vocal Recording, Video Editing

  • Hallo liebe community,


    ich suche einen Computer und würde mich über Tipps und Ratschläge von euch freuen.


    Mein Vorhaben sieht wie folgt aus :


    Mein PC ist 10 Jahre alt (specs : phenom II x4 955 3,2ghz, 12gb RAM ddr3, 2x 1TB hdd, gygbate motherboard USB 1.0 und USB 2.0)


    Ich möchte eigentlich nur mit fl Studio vocals aufnehmen, also müssen ein paar sends und paar vsts schon laufen. Ebenso möchte ich Bild- und Videobearbeitung machen.


    Angemerkt sei an dieser Stelle, es handelt sich hier alles um Hobbyzwecke, nichts professionelles. Soll jedoch nicht bedeuten, dass es deswegen nichts ernst gemeinteres ist.


    Ich habe ein steinberg ur12 interface und ein rode nt1a bei mir.



    Die Frage ist, 8-16gb.intel i5 oder ryzen 5, quad core, mit einer hdd und ggf. Ssd sollten reichen oder? 😳 "


    Ich dachte an folgende PCs zbsp :


    https://www.otto.de/p/csl-mult…23/#variationId=730757924



    https://www.otto.de/p/csl-levi…8/#variationId=1250499351

  • Ich habe nun folgende Konfigurationen in die engere Auswahl genommen :


    Ryzen 5, 16GB RAM, 500gb ssd ohne grafikkarte (ohne Monitor)


    und


    intel i5, 8gb ram, 500gb ssd + grafikkarte (mit monitor)


    ich tendiere zu dem intel, da dort ein neuer Monitor dabei ist, auch wenn dies dem eigentlich Sinn und Zweck verfehlt, einen Computer zum aufnehmen zu suchen, jedoch kann ich 8gb ram in naher Zukunft ergänzen und eine GraKa wäre auch dabei.


    Hat jemand vielleicht einen Rat?

  • Also ICH bin Ryzen Lover.. <3:eusa_dance:


    RAM wäre wichtig, besonders für Videoschnitt... also wäre meine Wahl Deine erste.

    Eigentlich müsste ein Ryzen System entweder gleich, oder güntstiger sein, als ein Intel in diesem Bereich...


    Hier ein paar Infos:

    https://www.pc-magazin.de/ratg…hnitt-office-3201721.html


    Beachte auch die Single Core Leistung:

  • Danke für die Antworten.


    @Dr.Sommer


    Ja, Intel vs AMD, hin oder her, ich habe auch ein AMD System gehabt, also ryzen sagt mir durchaus auch zu.


    Danke für das Video.


    LilSezdi


    Magst du mir bitte sagen welche 1? :D


    Das erste aus dem ersten Post.


    Oder das erste aus dem zweiten Post? 😳

  • Ryzen 5, 16GB RAM, 500gb ssd ohne grafikkarte (ohne Monitor)


    Ich habe auch mal bei einem anderen Thread gesagt das ich von Intel nichts halte. Habe beide Prozessoren benutzt, benutze derzeit einen Ryzen 5 3500U. Bin mehr als Zufrieden.

  • Sind halt Komplettsysteme. Eine wurmige Komponente haben die immer. Und ich glaube bei Otto würde ich keinen Rechner kaufen. Aber ich bin halt auch Selberbauer :)


    Ich würde aber auch zum Ryzen tendieren. Noch nicht mal wegen dem Prozzi. Sondern wegen der Grafikkarte. Mit der Grafikkarte im Intel wirst du mit dem Videoschnitt nicht glücklich. Das ist mit das lumpigste was sie da einbauen konnten. Die wurmige Komponente ...


    Ist allerdings grade wegen Corona keine gute Zeit für Grafikkarte kaufen. Die neuen Nvidia sind ausverkauft. Auf dem Markt findest du meist nur zwei Generationen zurück. Und für die Hardwarebeschleunigung ist Nvidia wegen dem Cuda Befehlssatz fast Pflicht. Immer noch. Leider.


    Wenn du den Monitor extra kaufst, dann achte auf einen IPS Panel. Der ist Blickwinkel- und Farbtreu. Ich habe hier ja zwei. Nen Asus und nen Benq. Taugen beide ...


    EDIT, lesenswert: https://lichtrebell.com/pc-bil…tt-gaming-preis-leistung/


    Und achte auf die Lautstärke. Gaming PC's haben zwar Rumms, machen dafür aber manchmal einen Höllenlärm ...

  • Noch ein wichtiger Aspekt:


    Wenn Du Videoschnitt willst, beachte die Voraussetzungen, die die Software DEINER WAHL mit sich bringt!

    Es nützt Dir keine High End GraKa, wenn die von der SW nicht unterstützt wird!

    Ich habe Powerirector und Hitfilm PRO:


    https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/82704.page


    https://community.fxhome.com/d…for-hitfilm-pro-12#latest

  • Image Line empfiehlt das hier:



    https://support.image-line.com/action/knowledgebase?ans=214


    What computer should I get for music creation?

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    This article will focus your purchasing dollar to provide the most performance for music production. Real-time audio processing and synthesis are key, a fast CPU and an audio interface that has a manufacturer supplied ASIO driver are your top priorities.

    Laptop vs Desktop/Tower

    Generally laptops offer less power/performance compared to desktops at the same price-point. Laptops also limit your options for expansion and upgrades. Of course, laptops can be used but you should have a specific requirement to be mobile with your music production/performance. If not, definitely go the desktop route. NOTE: By desktop we mean a 'full height tower' style case that will probably live under your desk (see Quiet PC below). The optimum case will fit full-height PCI/e expansion cards for greatest flexibility. You need room for at least - 2 x hard drives, a full size graphic card & a soundcard. Suggestion: Buy a relatively inexpensive netbook for mobile computing, and basic FL Studio idea-sketching, and get a good desktop PC for music production. The combined cost of these two will likely be similar to one laptop powerful enough to replace a desktop.

    Operating System

    Windows - FL Studio will work on Windows 8.1 or 10 is required. Windows S users need to first upgrade to regular Windows 10.

    macOS - FL Studio requires macOS 10.13.6 or higher to run.

    Specifications (in descending order of importance)

    CPU: The CPU is the primary factor in your ability to run FL Studio with large complex projects. Yes FL Studio utilizes multi-core CPUs but, beyond a certain point, more is not necessarily better. Read the section: 'The logic of audio processing' in the manual to learn why. In light of this, the best value for performance is usually to be had a few levels down from the top models. We don't normally recommend spending more than $600 on a CPU only for music production. CPUs between $300 to $500 USD are usually in the sweet-spot.


    Choose your own - Search for a CPU with the fastest single-core performance you can afford, in a package with 8 to 12 physical cores. Why? Because if any one core becomes overloaded, it does not matter how many other cores you have, there will be audio glitches in real-time playback. Here's how we grade multi-core scores for CPUs with 12 or less cores - Weak: Less than 4,999. Medium: 5000 to 9,999. Strong: 10,000 to 19,999. Very strong more than 20,000. For example: An 8 core CPU (14,400) with a single core score of 1800 is probably less well suited to music production than a 6 core CPU (12,000) with a single core score of 2600, since much of what happens with audio-processing can't be computed in parallel. Ideally, you need a CPU in the Strong or Very Strong category.

    Psychology - When comparing benchmarks, a 10% performance gain is 'just noticeable', you won't be impressed with this sort of improvement, so don't bother. 20-30% increase is needed before a CPU feels noticeably faster in use (for a while). Of course, the bigger the percentage jump, the happier you will be.

    CPU Laptops: The same principles apply as above. Aim for a CPU Mark score of 7,000+ from a quad-core CPU - See CPU Mark Laptop CPU scores here.

    CPU performance reality check - Show respect for your CPU and don't throw 30+ high-cpu load plugins at it and then wonder why it chokes. Audio processing, as performed by DAW software, is one of the most CPU intensive tasks done in real-time on computers today. It's more CPU intensive than 3D games, that offload a lot of work to the video card GPU. Each audio stream needs real-time calculation of at least 44100 samples PER second multiplied by the number of plugins you are running multiplied by their own internal shenanigans. But, all hope is not lost, limitations breed creativity, work with what you have and rejoice in the democratization of modern music production.

    Audio Interface (ASIO): Of almost equal importance to the CPU is that your soundcard / audio interface supports ASIO drivers. ASIO is a software device driver standard that allows FL Studio direct access to the audio interface rather than communicating via the Windows operating system (as with the standard Windows driver). This will mean a significant performance advantage running FL Studio. Look for a sound card for which the manufacturer has written custom ASIO drivers (check the specifications for mention of ASIO or ASIO2 support). NOTE: ASIO is all about software to hardware communication efficiency and performance here has little to do with the capabilities of the underlying hardware. If your audio interface does not have a native ASIO driver, use FL Studio ASIO.

    RAM: 8 GB is probably enough. 16 GB is likely more than you need. 32 GB is only needed if you use lots of sample-based instruments, each running Multi-GB orchestral libraries & ROMpler style plugins. Don't install more than 32 GB of RAM, for music production. Spend the money on your CPU, audio interface, video card or plugins. If you have 4 or 6 slots, try to leave pairs of RAM slots free for future upgrades as RAM usually installs in pairs.

    Hard Disk Drive (HDD): SSD (Solid State Disk) vs Traditional MHDD (Magnetic Hard Disk Drive)? SSD's are great for achieving fast boot times, initial program loading. While a SSD will load projects faster, you don't load/save projects all that often so we rank a SSD fairly low on this list of FL Studio priorities. Given large SSD's are still prohibitively expensive. The smart solution is to have a 1 TB SSD 'boot drive' (holding your OS + FL Studio) and 2 or 4 TB MHDD for your project data (libraries, sounds, audio recordings etc). Favour M.2 NVMe format SSD, if your motherboard supports it, otherwise use SATA. Either of these format SSDs are far superior to MHDDs.

    Video Card: Look for a video card with two DVI or some combination of DVI + HDMI + Display Port outputs (see also Quiet PC below). This will allow you to run two video monitors. Any modern Video card will perform similarly. FL Studio work-flow is significantly improved with two (or more) video monitors.

    OS: Windows 8.1 and 10 x64 Bit are all known to work very well with FL Studio and, more importantly, peripheral devices. There is no performance or operational advantage for FL Studio by moving from the cheaper 'Home' editions to the 'Ultimate/Professional' edition. Windows 8 or 10 will be required if you want more than dual-touch as it delivers full multi-touch performance.


    Quiet PC

    Having a quiet PC is very important since you need to hear all the sounds in your mix. We recommend browsing the following sites, they have lots of useful information and can be used to specify components in your shopping list even if you don't build your PC yourself.

    A comprehensive review site is - www.silentpcreview.com

    The following commercial websites are provided for your information. Both offer pre-made and custom build quiet/silent PC solutions and have international shipping: www.quietpc.com (UK based with global shipping) and www.endpcnoise.com (USA based with global shipping)

    Generally the main sources of noise are case fans, video card fans, power supply fans and the CPU fan. Mechanical hard drives will make clicking sounds, consider SSDs (Solid State Drive), although very quiet mechanical drives are available and represent much better value for money. Simply opting for low noise versions of each component in your PC need not cost any more money and can have a huge impact on the noise performance.

    Setup

    The FL Studio manual has a thorough section here on maximizing the performance of your Windows based PC when running FL Studio.

    Reality Check - Please take responsibility for what you are doing!

    1. OPTIMIZE: Make sure you really have worked carefully through the optimization settings posted here. 2. RESPECT: Don't throw 100's of plugins at your CPU wonder why it chokes. Audio processing, as performed by DAW software, is one of the most CPU intensive things done in real-time on computers today. It's often more CPU intensive than even 3D games, that offload a lot of work to the video card GPU. Each audio stream needs real-time calculation of at least 44100 samples PER second multiplied by how many plugins you are running multiplied by their own internal shenanigans. 3. FEAR: Not all 3rd party developers fully optimize their plugins and whatever plugin you are using may just be a nasty and or buggy CPU hog. 4. HISTORY: Your grandfather used a four-track tape recorder and made albums like A Hard Days Night and Aftermath that changed the face of modern music. Even the lowliest of modern PCs will put that 4 track to shame. Limitations breed creativity, work with what you have and rejoice in the democratization of modern music production.


    Summary


    Just in case it was not clear, the information above basically says. 1. Choose the fastest CPU you can afford (this is critical). 2. Make sure you have an ASIO Audio Interface and 3. Add at least 8 GB of RAM but no more than 32. Build your PC around those elements.

  • Choose the fastest CPU you can afford (this is critical)

    Im Prinzip ja. Aber auf meinem 8 Jahre alten Intel i7 mit 8 Cores hat FL eine bessere Performance gehabt als jetzt auf meinem Ryzen 3700x mit 16 Cores. Weil das Multithreading in FL auf Deutsch gesagt einfach beschissen ist.

  • Hallo und vielen Dank für all Ihre nützlichen Tipps. Ich habe Audacity verwendet, um meine Audios aufzunehmen und zu bearbeiten. Die Videoaufnahme hängt davon ab, welche Effekte Sie benötigen. Normalerweise ist Adobe Creative Cloud bei mir zu finden.

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